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Post by The Volfish » Thu Jun 04, 2009 11:47 am

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama says he's open to requiring all Americans to buy health insurance, as long as the plan provides a "hardship waiver" to exempt poor people from having to pay.

Obama opposed such an individual mandate during his campaign, but Congress increasingly is moving to embrace the idea....
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Post by LTD » Thu Jun 04, 2009 10:37 pm

Change......... :coffee
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Post by Plow » Thu Jun 04, 2009 11:02 pm

Image that, Obama misspoke again.

Health care will be fucked and way too expensive for those who can afford it.
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Post by NeedmoreDEET » Fri Jun 05, 2009 9:36 am

Will be? Try finding an affordable plan for a family of 5 if you're self employed - it already sucks.
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Post by Mattb » Fri Jun 05, 2009 1:48 pm

NeedmoreDEET wrote:Will be? Try finding an affordable plan for a family of 5 if you're self employed - it already sucks.
Family of 5? Hell, I'm young & single, and a decent health ins. policy for me on the private market would be a little less than half of my take home pay every month. As it is now, I pay $250/mo for "insurance" with a $10k deductible.

Unfortunately, I don't think Obama & the Dems have the stones to push through anything that'll meaningfully change the clusterfuck that is the insurance game in this country.
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Post by Pablo Escobar » Wed Jun 10, 2009 7:13 pm

Plow wrote:Health care will be fucked and way too expensive for those who can afford it.
Welcome to today, numbnuts.

Let me guess, a talking head told you: Health care reform under a Dem must be a socialist ass-reaming! Be afraid! Be more afraid! Your not scared enough asshole!

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Post by eponymous » Mon Jun 15, 2009 10:16 pm

Before my partners and I sold our small company (50+ ppl) we had excellent insurance through BC/BS. Not saying it was not a big nut but we covered everyone at 100% and employees had only a $10 deductible per office visit, $50 ER and $250/hospital visit. The cost of my $35,000 hand surgery a few years back was $250 out of pocket. Even with the 100% employee coverage we managed to turn a nice profit each year and had happy and healthy employees.

Once we sold out to corporate Canada our insurance is now essentially operated by the company (10,000+ ppl) with a third party pass through intended to mimic that of our Canadian operations. Frankly my health care it has gone in the toilet with respect to costs. I pay $400/mo for a family of 5 with an additional exposure of up to $8,000 per year. The cost of my $35,000 hand surgery would end up being $8,000 out of pocket - depending of course on what time of year I had the accident. It could also be more than $8,000 if I were to select my own surgeon. (The guy who did my wrist also does the Red Sox so he is no slouch.) The percentage they choose to cover varies depending on how deep you have dug into the deductible and how expensive the doctor or hospital is. (I used to be able to choose whomever I wanted to see so long as I got a referral from my primary care physician. I am now limited to seeking out the cheaper doctors and hospitals that my comapny tells me I can seee or I need to pay more (or all) out of pocket per visit.)

I don't know if it is typical and can't say if it is fair to compare, but I preferred my previous private US insurance (as both an employer and an employee) to one that mimics Canadian style healthcare.

Of all the talk I hear about Canada's system and how great it is, I don't get that from speaking to my canuck colleagues. When I tell them that I could be diagnosed with cancer (God forbid) tomorrow afternoon and have an appointment with the specialist of my choosing by the end of the week they are stunned. In the same instance they think it would be a month before they would be seen and could not pick the doctor or the hospital they felt would be best for them. Can't confirm or deny if this is the case but I trust what they tell me.
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Post by Plow » Mon Jun 15, 2009 10:41 pm

Pablo Escobar wrote:
Plow wrote:Health care will be fucked and way too expensive for those who can afford it.
Welcome to today, numbnuts.

Let me guess, a talking head told you: Health care reform under a Dem must be a socialist ass-reaming! Be afraid! Be more afraid! Your not scared enough asshole!

Are you scared? You sound scared.
You sound like a man who wants to suck at the government tit with somebody else’s money doing the lactating.

Can you explain to us how big government (dem or rep) will deliver great health care at a reasonable cost? While you’re at it how about some examples of how big gov does anything worth a damn.

Man up and make your case.
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Post by shunned » Tue Jun 16, 2009 2:01 am

reason no.3 I'm glad I'm not a seppo.
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Post by Ajax » Tue Jun 16, 2009 11:18 am

I determine eligibility for Medicaid programs. Me. Ajax. Now think about that the next time that you want your health care tossed into the good hands of the government.
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Post by flybug.pa. » Tue Jun 16, 2009 2:15 pm

i am a Vet, so i use the Va system. The doc is 40 miles away, unless i want to shell out cash, which there aint much of these days, i resort to what i call kitchen table surgery. i have gotten quite good at stitching myself.My wife just got used to it. :coffee
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Post by eponymous » Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:58 am

Ajax wrote:I determine eligibility for Medicaid programs. Me. Ajax. Now think about that the next time that you want your health care tossed into the good hands of the government.
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