Obama-care requesting help

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Re: Obama-care requesting help

Post by SOBF » Fri Aug 21, 2009 7:31 pm

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 81718.html

Geez I wonder why folks are concerned. First Clinton...Bush negged it and BO brought it back....do I sense a trend ??

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Post by ditchdoc » Fri Aug 21, 2009 10:16 pm

SOBF wrote:http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 81718.html

Geez I wonder why folks are concerned. First Clinton...Bush negged it and BO brought it back....do I sense a trend ??
Oh, fuck yea, sounds like the perfect trend. Those commie Dems not only want to kill grandmas, they want to kill all the old soldiers too. Fuck, lets just kill everyone over 60. They're just a burden on society. Let's kill everyone under 16 while we're at it. They don't produce anything. Wait, let's kill everyone without the where-with-all to buy their own insurance--the commie-socialist-democrat, Jewish, Black, Mexican bastards. :bomb
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Re: Obama-care requesting help

Post by MTgrayling » Fri Aug 21, 2009 10:19 pm

I need to watch Logan's Run again. Jenny Agutter was damn fine in that picture, damn fine.
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Re: Obama-care requesting help

Post by ditchdoc » Fri Aug 21, 2009 10:40 pm

MTgrayling wrote:I need to watch Logan's Run again. Jenny Agutter was damn fine in that picture, damn fine.

Jeeze, yer older than I thought.
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Re: Obama-care requesting help

Post by SOBF » Sat Aug 22, 2009 5:47 am

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Never happen here.....

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Re: Obama-care requesting help

Post by ditchdoc » Sat Aug 22, 2009 2:58 pm

This was a STATE plan. Not national. Did you notice the 4000.00 a month price tag? There's where new regulations need to be placed. That is really placing a pricetag on health. Oh, but wait, we need to blame this on Pres. Obama. My bad.
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Re: Obama-care requesting help

Post by SOBF » Sat Aug 22, 2009 3:25 pm

This was a STATE plan. Not national. Did you notice the 4000.00 a month price tag? There's where new regulations need to be placed. That is really placing a pricetag on health. Oh, but wait, we need to blame this on Pres. Obama. My bad.
I didn't blame that on Obama.

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Re: Obama-care requesting help

Post by Henry's Fork Dork » Sat Aug 22, 2009 7:52 pm

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Never happen here.....
I wonder what kind of cancer she has. Probably small cell lung. This video surprisingly makes no mention of her diagnosis or what she is being treated for. And then there is the cancer center doc who clearly has a financial interest in seeing his therapies approved and paid for by the state, whether they work or not. This is some weak reporting. You'd think the reporter could spend some time looking at the research behind the efficacy of Tarceva. Apparently that is too difficult for her.

So here's an abstract from the New England Journal of Medicine, July 2005. (erlotinib is the generic name for Tarceva)

ABSTRACT

Background A clinical trial that compared erlotinib with a placebo for non–small-cell lung cancer demonstrated a survival benefit for erlotinib. We used tumor-biopsy samples from participants in this trial to investigate whether responsiveness to erlotinib and its impact on survival were associated with expression by the tumor of epidermal growth factor receptor (EGFR) and EGFR gene amplification and mutations.

Methods EGFR expression was evaluated immunohistochemically in non–small-cell lung cancer specimens from 325 of 731 patients in the trial; 197 samples were analyzed for EGFR mutations; and 221 samples were analyzed for the number of EGFR genes.

Results In univariate analyses, survival was longer in the erlotinib group than in the placebo group when EGFR was expressed (hazard ratio for death, 0.68; P=0.02) or there was a high number of copies of EGFR (hazard ratio, 0.44; P=0.008). In multivariate analyses, adenocarcinoma (P=0.01), never having smoked (P<0.001), and expression of EGFR (P=0.03) were associated with an objective response. In multivariate analysis, survival after treatment with erlotinib was not influenced by the status of EGFR expression, the number of EGFR copies, or EGFR mutation.

Conclusions Among patients with non–small-cell lung cancer who receive erlotinib, the presence of an EGFR mutation may increase responsiveness to the agent, but it is not indicative of a survival benefit.
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Re: Obama-care requesting help

Post by BigTimber » Mon Aug 24, 2009 8:23 am

"You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy
> out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for, another
> person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to
> anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody
> else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work
> because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other
> half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is
> going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of
> the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."
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Re: Obama-care requesting help

Post by SOBF » Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:49 pm

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Re: Obama-care requesting help

Post by Mattb » Fri Aug 28, 2009 7:38 am

SOBF wrote:video
Ok, so you have Dean giving a straight answer to a good question - "The more stuff you put in a bill like this, the more enemies you make" (paraphrased). That's a more honest answer than I would've expected from any politician, and he makes a good point. We'd have just wound up with a worthless half-measure of tort reform that wouldn't have really accomplished anything, much like we're going to wind up with a worthless half-measure of healthcare reform that won't really accomplish anything.
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Re: Obama-care requesting help

Post by upstanding » Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:33 pm

Tort reform has the most bi-partisan stop the insure/lobby and Chamber lobby of all hot button issues...for example check out Edwards' contributors for example ATLA nationwide is at least 50 if not 60% 'publican...ole cultural conservative former senator lott from Miss...look to his brother in law Scruggs of first verdict against big tobacco..numerous others...brothers and sisters of the bar are no different ...vote and lobby in support of one's wallet...just like healthcare providers and health insurance companies

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