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Re: American Justice

Post by m.b. » Fri Dec 25, 2009 9:50 am

BigCliff wrote:There was so much crazy shit in that video you posted, I simply can't view it as anything else.

What in that video is "crazy shit?"

None of us are surprised that a liberal socialist (with a very large Obama man-crush) who believes in globalization vs. U.S. sovereignty would not like what was in that video, but what about it is crazy?
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Re: American Justice

Post by BigCliff » Sat Dec 26, 2009 8:07 pm

m.b. wrote:
BigCliff wrote:There was so much crazy shit in that video you posted, I simply can't view it as anything else.

What in that video is "crazy shit?"

None of us are surprised that a liberal socialist (with a very large Obama man-crush) who believes in globalization vs. U.S. sovereignty would not like what was in that video, but what about it is crazy?
Repeating your bunk diagnoses do not make them fact, despite your amazing persistence. Your childish homophobic accusations also do absolutely nothing to lend credibility to the ideas and positions you proselytize. The fact that you think Fox News and their commentators are credible bastions of intellectual honesty achieves the same.

I am a moderate liberal whose economic opinions are simply more Keynesian than Austrian, and who thinks our president is mostly doing a good job. This does not make me a homosexual socialist, its simply makes me someone who agrees with most of his views on policy and governance.

Globalization is not even something one can believe in, it is simply a global trend.
In popular discourse, globalization often functions as little more than a synonym for one or more of the following phenomena: the pursuit of classical liberal (or “free market”) policies in the world economy (“economic liberalization”), the growing dominance of western (or even American) forms of political, economic, and cultural life (“westernization” or “Americanization”), the proliferation of new information technologies (the “Internet Revolution”), as well as the notion that humanity stands at the threshold of realizing one single unified community in which major sources of social conflict have vanished (“global integration”).
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/globalization/

In the post you're referring to, there was absolutely nothing suggesting US sovreignty be ceded in any way. Try to keep your complaints straight, and at least have a better understanding of what you're talking about before you put words in others mouths.

I'll comment on the crazy shit on the video later.
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Re: American Justice

Post by m.b. » Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:33 pm

BigCliff wrote:I am a moderate liberal whose economic opinions are simply more Keynesian than Austrian, and who thinks our president is mostly doing a good job. This does not make me a homosexual socialist, its simply makes me someone who agrees with most of his views on policy and governance.

you are aware that he was one of the most liberal congressman ever, right?

calling yourself a moderate and in the same paragraph admitting that you agree with most of his views on policy and government says it all. it's pretty damn funny too. he said himself he wants to "spread the wealth around." that's hardly moderate. what part of that was unclear? Obama's views (in his own words) are socialist bordering on marxist. you admit yourself you agree with him on most things. you said that, not me.

just as i've shown i'm a right-wing conservative, you've shown in your posts here (to everyone) that you are clearly a leftist. only difference is i admit what i am.

and which part is he doing a good job on again, i mean besides the celebrity thing and giving away U.S. sovereignty? is it how he's mortgaged your kid's future with the record amount of debt he's racked up, or how he secured the Olympics (cuz that's obviously something a president should be spending time and taxpayer $ pursiing in the middle of a recession) for his hometown? i'm confused...


and while the man-crush fellator thing was a joke, it's funny to see you get so worked up about it. [smooch]
don't worry, nobody really thinks you're a homo.
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Re: American Justice

Post by BigCliff » Mon Dec 28, 2009 8:44 am

m.b. wrote:
BigCliff wrote:I am a moderate liberal whose economic opinions are simply more Keynesian than Austrian, and who thinks our president is mostly doing a good job. This does not make me a homosexual socialist, its simply makes me someone who agrees with most of his views on policy and governance.

you are aware that he was one of the most liberal congressman ever, right?

calling yourself a moderate and in the same paragraph admitting that you agree with most of his views on policy and government says it all. it's pretty damn funny too. he said himself he wants to "spread the wealth around." that's hardly moderate. what part of that was unclear? Obama's views (in his own words) are socialist bordering on marxist. you admit yourself you agree with him on most things. you said that, not me.

just as i've shown i'm a right-wing conservative, you've shown in your posts here (to everyone) that you are clearly a leftist. only difference is i admit what i am.

and which part is he doing a good job on again, i mean besides the celebrity thing and giving away U.S. sovereignty? is it how he's mortgaged your kid's future with the record amount of debt he's racked up, or how he secured the Olympics (cuz that's obviously something a president should be spending time and taxpayer $ pursiing in the middle of a recession) for his hometown? i'm confused...


and while the man-crush fellator thing was a joke, it's funny to see you get so worked up about it. [smooch]
don't worry, nobody really thinks you're a homo.
I'm aware that someone wanting to prove said point can find multiple sources that declare that Obama was a very liberal senator.

On agreeing with "most" of his views, we should clarify that "most" simply means a majority, not 90+%. While I'm fairly certain that you agree with the majority of the views of David Duke and Alex Jones on policy and governance, that does not make the totality of your views parallel to a leader of the Klan or the figurehead of the black-helicopter-crowd conspiracy theorists.

Realistically speaking, every politician who is in favor of progressive taxation is in favor of spreading the wealth around. While the numbers of those opposed to it are sizeable and growing, its likely fair to say that 80% of all public officials nationwide have not spoken out against it. Progressive taxation has been in place for nearly one hundred years and has played a fundamental role in building the society Americans currently enjoy.

A google search for "obama socialist "in his own words"" produces links to Glenn Beck, the Freepers, Stormfront, etc, and no actual sources of journalism. This goes back to that whole credibility thing bud.

Good things he's done (I realize you're going to disagree on some points): (pending) healthcare reform that is deficit reducing, preventing a depression-
The New York Times recently quoted Mark Zandi, who was one of candidate John McCain's economic advisers, on this point: "The stimulus is doing what it was supposed to do—it is contributing to ending the recession," he said. "In my view, without the stimulus, G.D.P would still be negative and unemployment would be firmly over 11 percent."
http://www.slate.com/id/2236708/

and finally going after terrorism in Yemen (after the situation was foolishly neglected for 9 years by both Clinton and Bush)
The Pentagon is spending more than $70 million over the next 18 months, and using teams of Special Forces, to train and equip Yemeni military, Interior Ministry and coast guard forces, more than doubling previous military aid levels.
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The country has long been a refuge for jihadists, in part because Yemen’s government welcomed returning Islamist fighters who had fought in Afghanistan during the 1980s. The Yemen port of Aden was the site of the audacious bombing of the American destroyer Cole in October 2000 by Qaeda militants, which killed 17 sailors.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/28/world ... ml?_r=1&hp
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Re: American Justice

Post by m.b. » Mon Dec 28, 2009 12:42 pm

the socialist thing "in his own words" was referring to when he said on video that he wanted to spread the wealth around. that can be found just about anywhere.


i'm not overly concerned about it. most americans are seeing him for what he is, even if you can't refuse to.


progressive taxation does not = redistribution of wealth. most of that tax money goes to public works, but it doesn't go to financially benefitting certain individuals. you're not the only one who's had trouble grasping that whole tax payer/public funding concept - see pages 4 and 5 of this thread. tax money going to common use and common good is acceptable. when it goes to individual use and individual good/enrichment, it's called socialism and re-distirbution of wealth.

and just because you don't like fox news doesn't mean it's not a credible news outlet, even if black jesus tells you it's not. it's just as credible as any of the leftist sites/outlets you quote ad nauseum.
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