Globalization and Foreign Policy Realism

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Re: Globalization and Foreign Policy Realism

Post by Plow » Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:57 pm

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Plow wrote: Where’d you come up with government jobs?
That Spanish program you linked to was based solely on government created jobs. I was commenting on what you posted.
Government “created” (by force) but not necessarily in the government. Even if it’s in the government a lost job is a lost job.

You're right American business under a capitalist system leads the world in innovation, productivity, product development and delivering products (that people want). By the time this administration has run its course this will no longer be the case so don’t automatically think we can do better than Spain.
It seems odd that you think this president who "can't accomplish anything" is going to be so remarkably effective at taking American capitalism to hell in a handbasket. Besides the fact that I don't see that happening, I think its impossible for any president.
Accomplish implies achievement which is not something Obama or the libs strive for. Slowing down, stopping or reversing achievement and making us dependent on them is really their thing. Don’t underestimate his ability to screw us all.

An even bigger stumbling block to success is that solar and wind generation is just not ready for prime time - too damn many shortcomings and too many hurdles to be successful.
I'm sorry to hear that you have so little faith in American innovation.
I have great faith in American innovation but it’s tough to innovate with a spent-turd. How many times must the output of wind and solar be doubled before we have a viable source to replace or even augment fossil fuels?
American innovation applied to nuclear would produce.


If the left were serious about alternative energy they’d be talking about nuclear (fission and fusion).
Many are and the numbers are growing. The problem is that the current permitting process takes 30 years, and NIMBYism is rampant. The current commercial lending environment, combined with so many governments being completely out of funding makes near-term expansion of nuclear power daunting if not impossible.
Get the libs out of the way and they’ll build ‘em safer and faster.

Bet those folks in rural China and sub-Saharan Africa would love electricity. We need to figure out who’s responsible and tell them to get on the ball. Last time I looked it was not in my area of responsibility.
I'm not talking about any supposed responsibility to those people, I'm talking about potential new customers and opportunity. You're welcome to think that we're going to continue our traditional GDP growth rate by selling the same stuff to the same folks, but I just don't see that working out.
How about we lower taxes on hard working and tax paying folks and businesses to get them back as customers first. The country could use the increased tax revenues btw.


That $5k windmill generator looks great but cost more than most folks who need it make in a lifetime. Since you’re so concerned take some of your money and go make a difference in their lives. You might even get on Oprah. Once again, its too expensive for now, but once adoption takes off that will change. You might refer back to this thing called the automobile that was only for rich people at first, but then came this guy named Henry...
By adoption do you mean once the government forces us to buy one if we need it or not?

Thinking everything will somehow magically work out as planned without thinking is typical for you libs. With y'all its the thought not the result. If results were important you'd be conservative.
You're just not convinced that anything can work out until it does. While this might be the definition of conservative thought, its not exactly a way to foster innovation and improve the status quo.
I want to see accomplishments and to do that you need potential and right now solar and wind do not show enough potential to warrant their consideration as a serious energy source. Nuclear does but that doesn’t fit the libs kumbaya-fuled fantasies.
I simply reject the notion that the current pace of change means the world is going to hell in a handbasket because that long-popular notion continues to be wrong. Its also been quite effectively ignored by those wanting to make piles of money and improve people's lives in the process.
Having you and your lib buddies ideas of utopia shoved up my ass is not my definition of change. How about we pick the option with the most potential and move forward with that – works for American business (when they were allowed to do it).
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Re: Globalization and Foreign Policy Realism

Post by BigCliff » Thu Dec 24, 2009 7:06 pm

Plow, mindsets like yours of blaming the "libs" for everything is likely has more to do with hampering economic growth than any government regulations.
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Re: Globalization and Foreign Policy Realism

Post by Shufisher » Thu Dec 24, 2009 8:17 pm

BigCliff wrote:Plow, mindsets like yours of blaming the "libs" for everything is likely has more to do with hampering economic growth than any government regulations.
Would you elaborate, please? I gotta hear this.
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Re: Globalization and Foreign Policy Realism

Post by Plow » Thu Dec 24, 2009 8:19 pm

Shufisher wrote:
BigCliff wrote:Plow, mindsets like yours of blaming the "libs" for everything is likely has more to do with hampering economic growth than any government regulations.
Would you elaborate, please? I gotta hear this.
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Re: Globalization and Foreign Policy Realism

Post by Shufisher » Thu Dec 24, 2009 8:20 pm

Shufisher wrote:
BigCliff wrote:Plow, mindsets like yours of blaming the "libs" for everything is likely has more to do with hampering economic growth than any government regulations.
Would Can you elaborate? I gotta hear this.
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Re: Globalization and Foreign Policy Realism

Post by BigCliff » Thu Dec 24, 2009 11:31 pm

Shufisher wrote:
BigCliff wrote:Plow, mindsets like yours of blaming the "libs" for everything is likely has more to do with hampering economic growth than any government regulations.
Would you elaborate, please? I gotta hear this.
Well there's the fact that the biggest fans of right wing talk radio are small business owners and sales reps. Either they're paying enough attention to it for it to interfere with their productivity, or its popularity is a sham. But they'd rather hear somebody blame the "libs" for their problems, and the blow-hards pointing out the correlation would be pretty stupid business.

Bet that never occurred to y'all, huh?
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Re: Globalization and Foreign Policy Realism

Post by m.b. » Fri Dec 25, 2009 10:24 am

BigCliff wrote:Either they're paying enough attention to it for it to interfere with their productivity, or its popularity is a sham.
you said "either, or...." it's pretty easy to document the popularity, so are we to assume you feel it "interferes" with productivity? how so?

i mean the only time i listen to the radio is when i'm driving in the car. i'm confused about how that interferes with productivity.

and as far as "blaming the libs," there is plenty of shit from the last year on the first page of this section to be pissed about. If we shouldn't blame the libs (who've controlled the exec. and leg. branch the entire time) who should we blame? who should we blame about the devaluation of the dollar and the unprecedented debt that has occurred over the last year? bush? man-made global warming?


please help me understand.
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Re: Globalization and Foreign Policy Realism

Post by Shufisher » Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:15 pm

m.b. wrote:
BigCliff wrote:Either they're paying enough attention to it for it to interfere with their productivity, or its popularity is a sham.
you said "either, or...." it's pretty easy to document the popularity, so are we to assume you feel it "interferes" with productivity? how so?

i mean the only time i listen to the radio is when i'm driving in the car. i'm confused about how that interferes with productivity.

and as far as "blaming the libs," there is plenty of shit from the last year on the first page of this section to be pissed about. If we shouldn't blame the libs (who've controlled the exec. and leg. branch the entire time) who should we blame? who should we blame about the devaluation of the dollar and the unprecedented debt that has occurred over the last year? bush? man-made global warming?


please help me understand.
Don't forget the democrats Stalinists controlled the legislative branches a couple of years ahead of the Messiah...libs conveniently omit this.
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Re: Globalization and Foreign Policy Realism

Post by m.b. » Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:26 pm

yeah, but it was bush's fault back then. that's not a legit excuse anymore.
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Re: Globalization and Foreign Policy Realism

Post by Plow » Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:56 pm

BigCliff wrote:
Shufisher wrote:
BigCliff wrote:Plow, mindsets like yours of blaming the "libs" for everything is likely has more to do with hampering economic growth than any government regulations.
Would you elaborate, please? I gotta hear this.
Well there's the fact that the biggest fans of right wing talk radio are small business owners and sales reps. Either they're paying enough attention to it for it to interfere with their productivity, or its popularity is a sham. But they'd rather hear somebody blame the "libs" for their problems, and the blow-hards pointing out the correlation would be pretty stupid business.

Bet that never occurred to y'all, huh?
Can't believe anything that dumb would occurred to anyone...ever.

If that were anything near a fact then economic growth would have been hampered for the last 20 years or so (as long as Rush has been on).

If small business owners and sales reps aren't cutting it there's always someone in the wings to grab that business - if there is any business to be grabbed. Thats how free enterprise and capitalism work.

How about a do-over, this time put some effort in it and lay off the tryptophan, its dulling the pea in your head
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Re: Globalization and Foreign Policy Realism

Post by Shufisher » Fri Dec 25, 2009 4:48 pm

Plow wrote:
BigCliff wrote:
Can't believe anything that dumb would occurred to anyone...ever.
Because it's so fucking stupid it could only come from the left.
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Re: Globalization and Foreign Policy Realism

Post by BigCliff » Sat Dec 26, 2009 7:46 pm

m.b. wrote:
BigCliff wrote:Either they're paying enough attention to it for it to interfere with their productivity, or its popularity is a sham.
you said "either, or...." it's pretty easy to document the popularity, so are we to assume you feel it "interferes" with productivity? how so? Because people listening to someone talk to them are not giving any other efforts their full concentration. Would you like to dismiss this fact as "liberal guilt" or "socialist naivete"?

i mean the only time i listen to the radio is when i'm driving in the car. i'm confused about how that interferes with productivity. I assumed as much and wasn't referring to you. This makes you different from the hundreds of small business owners I've dropped in on over the years who have Rush, Hannity, etc playing every possible minute.
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