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Re: Dalai Lama

Post by Plow » Sun Feb 21, 2010 10:14 pm

Lower corporate taxes puts additional money into corporations. Giving that money to management, employees and stockholders (as dividends) is a piss poor use of it.

Passing the saving on to the consumers as lower prices increases sales, which increases profits and creates more jobs (to meet demand). With higher sales (most of the time) comes higher stock prices to reward stockholders (you and I) and increase bonuses.

Investing some of that extra money in new factories and better products has the same effect – cheaper and better products for consumers and increased sales (more jobs yada, yada, yada).

The consumer takes his extra money from the lower prices and buy additional goods and services, which spur the economy even more (more jobs, etc).

The government gets higher income and sales tax receipts.

Major fucking win for everyone and it works every fucking time its tried.

The company that passes the savings on to stockholders and upper management will lose competitive advantage i.e. they will be selling a higher cost inferior product and they will die (or be bailed out by the Gov).
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Re: Dalai Lama

Post by m.b. » Sun Feb 21, 2010 10:16 pm

but if you do that, how do you "spread the wealth around?"
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Re: Dalai Lama

Post by Plow » Sun Feb 21, 2010 10:23 pm

m.b. wrote:but if you do that, how do you "spread the wealth around?"
At least doing it the American way we'll have some wealth to spread around.
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Re: Dalai Lama

Post by Spudnik » Sun Feb 21, 2010 10:58 pm

Shit, you learn somefin' everyday... :cool
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Re: Dalai Lama

Post by West Chester » Mon Feb 22, 2010 8:09 am

ditchdoc wrote: How many WMD were found in Iraq?
For the record... not just Bush believed there were WMD's in Iraq.

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998.

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18,1998.

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999.

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by Joe Lieberman (D-CT), John McCain (Rino-AZ) and others, Dec. 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002.

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002.

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002.

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I b elieve that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002.

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Jay Rockerfeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002.

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002.

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weap ons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002.

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002.

"[W]ithout question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his contin ued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ..."
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003.
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Re: Dalai Lama

Post by West Chester » Mon Feb 22, 2010 8:15 am

Also, if they had the ability to bury planes and other weapons... why not bury WMD's ahead of the invasion and/or UN weapons inspectors??
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Re: Dalai Lama

Post by ditchdoc » Mon Feb 22, 2010 8:34 am

Just because a bunch of people fell for the lie, does not make it any less of one. Mind, they STILL haven't found any. You're drowning in kool-aid.
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Re: Dalai Lama

Post by BigCliff » Mon Feb 22, 2010 8:48 am

Those pictures from '91 or 92'? (the camo they're wearing is a giveaway bud)

Pretty sure we had them under sufficient satellite surveillance since then to catch burying of such things.
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Re: Dalai Lama

Post by West Chester » Mon Feb 22, 2010 8:50 am

Is it a lie that the kurds suffered a massive gas attack that killed around 5000 in 1988?

Cliff... Does it matter what year they are from? The point is that Saddam's regime buried weapons to avoid detection.

Also, with all those quotes many people said they had evidence of WMD's, were they lying about having this evidence?
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Jay Rockerfeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002.


"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002.

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.
Are they really making up this evidence? BTW Rockerfeller and Graham were both members of the Senate Intelligence Committee
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Re: Dalai Lama

Post by BigCliff » Mon Feb 22, 2010 10:53 am

Sweet Jesus you're pissy.
West Chester wrote:Is it a lie that the kurds suffered a massive gas attack that killed around 5000 in 1988? Of course not. that's why I would never say or imply any such thing.

Cliff... Does it matter what year they are from? The point is that Saddam's regime buried weapons to avoid detection. So what. We also put Japanese Americans in internment camps in the 40's, does that mean we did it in the 50's too? I'm not equating our actions with Saddam's, I'm saying that the existence of past event does not guarantee their repeat. The fact that he did alot of evil and sneaky shit before we were paying close attention does not mean that he was able to evade our surveillance afterwards and do the same shit.

Also, with all those quotes many people said they had evidence of WMD's, were they lying about having this evidence?
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Jay Rockerfeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002.


"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002.

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.
Are they really making up this evidence? BTW Rockerfeller and Graham were both members of the Senate Intelligence Committee Nope, it means they were getting the same doctored shit that Colin Powell got.
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