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Re: Obamacare

Post by Plow » Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:41 pm

BigCliff wrote: I never said it was perfect.

But even something that's mostly flawed is an improvement on a complete clusterfuck. oabmacare is NOT an improvement, far from it
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Can't we give a much cheaper program that literally saves lives and directly helps Americans the same trial period? It's not cheaper

But I realize that requires reason, and you're not offering any.
So what you're saying is just keep eating the shit sandwiches 'cause they could starting testing better any year now.

Do you cringe when you write this dribble or are you so out of touch you believe it?
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Re: Obamacare

Post by VTNZ » Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:28 am

Well LTD, if I trusted you had the capability to be objective, I wouldn't have to point out to you that:

A: you are giving me shit for nothing more than taking Bagger at his favorite angle "I'm not either, I'm a libertarian..."

3: You are a raging hypocrite as you and a few others on here use name calling as your favorite ammo...

....wheras I'm mearly using his own declaration of his political identity and comparing with the folks who scream the loudest over and over expecting a different result...you know those guys....you are one....just read 87% of the content of your posts down here.

If the shoe fits... :coffee

Greenback:

To be honest, in the long run I don't give two shits; I won't be using it much longer. But merely from my current experience with it; it was absolutely no big deal for us. Lloyds of London called us in August, told us our plan didn't quite meet all the requirements of Romney/Heritage foundation Care, but that they had one that did that in the end would cover us even better, keep our $2500 deductible, and it cost us less than $200 difference. No hoopla....that was it.
If you live in a state that has obstructed the law, chances are you will pay more and get poorer coverage largely due to you bill coming in for all those years of breeding fat unhealthy fucks. Look up the stats on that, if you honestly care to.
I'm not an apologist for this healthcare concept, never have been. I never thought it would lower costs, just merely give folks coverage who ordinarily would be using the ER on YOUR policies dime.

But as opposed to Bagger, and eveidently, Mr. no ideas of his own LTD, I will say my personal preferance would be aflat tax like Aussie of around 1.5% of income to cover ones healthcare. Then, employers like Bagger,etc. would never have to think about giving their employees bennies/insurance....it would be sorted thru your taxes.

Bitch, bitch, bitch, but anyone got any other ideas?
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Re: Obamacare

Post by FormerlyChaseChrome » Fri Feb 14, 2014 6:37 am

Too many cooks in this kitchen man...it will conclude to no one's satisfaction.
Where this great experiment in "participatory democracy" is going is an open question, I'm not hopeful...

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Re: Obamacare

Post by LTD » Fri Feb 14, 2014 7:52 am

VTNZ wrote:Well LTD, if I trusted you had the capability to be objective, I wouldn't have to point out to you that:

A: you are giving me shit for nothing more than taking Bagger at his favorite angle "I'm not either, I'm a libertarian..."

3: You are a raging hypocrite as you and a few others on here use name calling as your favorite ammo...

....wheras I'm mearly using his own declaration of his political identity and comparing with the folks who scream the loudest over and over expecting a different result...you know those guys....you are one....just read 87% of the content of your posts down here.

If the shoe fits... :coffee

Greenback:

To be honest, in the long run I don't give two shits; I won't be using it much longer. But merely from my current experience with it; it was absolutely no big deal for us. Lloyds of London called us in August, told us our plan didn't quite meet all the requirements of Romney/Heritage foundation Care, but that they had one that did that in the end would cover us even better, keep our $2500 deductible, and it cost us less than $200 difference. No hoopla....that was it.
If you live in a state that has obstructed the law, chances are you will pay more and get poorer coverage largely due to you bill coming in for all those years of breeding fat unhealthy fucks. Look up the stats on that, if you honestly care to.
I'm not an apologist for this healthcare concept, never have been. I never thought it would lower costs, just merely give folks coverage who ordinarily would be using the ER on YOUR policies dime.

But as opposed to Bagger, and eveidently, Mr. no ideas of his own LTD, I will say my personal preferance would be aflat tax like Aussie of around 1.5% of income to cover ones healthcare. Then, employers like Bagger,etc. would never have to think about giving their employees bennies/insurance....it would be sorted thru your taxes.

Bitch, bitch, bitch, but anyone got any other ideas?
You might wanna go back and do a little reading....I often make a effort not to go into the whole libtard...blah blah blah bullshit. Sure from time to time I go there on a post or two, (most recently on a wolf thread) but not often VTNZ and far less in 2013/2014. You got my point and I guess that was the goal.

As far as ideas...you and I have had lengthy discussions about healthcare and taxes in the past,,,surprisingly we were very much in the same camp. My position on those two topics has not changed much and I simply choose not to broadcast or even participate inmost of those threads anymore. Both those issues are never going to come close to what WE would like to see much less the people. No use on beating a dead horse.....
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Re: Obamacare

Post by Greenback » Fri Feb 14, 2014 8:58 am

“You know I taught constitutional law for 10 years, I take the Constitution very seriously. The biggest problems that we’re facing right now had to do with George Bush trying to bring more and more power into the executive branch and not go through Congress at all, and that’s what I intend to reverse when I’m president of the United States of America.”

— BHO, 2008

Really, barry? Not buying it.



From yesterday…at least one leftist is starting to see what's actually happening. The rest of the free shit army will never get it as long as the handouts keep coming.

MEGYN KELLY: Jonathan Turley is a constitutional professor and attorney at the George Washington University law school. Professor Turley, great to see you, I'm a big fan of you and your blog.

JONATHAN TURLEY: Thank you.

KELLY: Let me ask you about this because in that soundbite we played before we went to commercial, you said the framers would be horrified because everything they did was to create balance between the branches of government and we've lost that.

TURLEY: Well, I'm afraid it's quite serious because the framers created a system that was designed to avoid one principle thing, the concentration of power in any one branch. Because that balancing between these branches in this fixed orbit is what not only gives stability to our system but it protects us against authoritarian power, it protects civil liberties from abuse.

And what we've been seeing is the shift of gravity within that system in a very dangerous way that makes it unstable, and I think that's what the president is doing. I think that we've become a nation of enablers. We are turning a blind eye to a fundamental change in our system. I think many people will come to loathe that they remained silent during this period.

KELLY: We heard a lot of objections when President Bush expanded the powers of the presidency from the left and from the media. They haven't been raising the same objections now that we have a Democrat in The White House. And you say they do so at their own peril.

TURLEY: I'm afraid this is beginning to border on a cult of personality for people on the left. I happen to agree with many of President Obama's policies, but in our system it is often as important how you do something as what you do.

And I think that many people will look back at this period in history and see nothing but confusion as to why people remained so silent when the president asserted these types of unilateral actions. You have a president who is claiming the right to basically rewrite or ignore or negate federal laws. That is a dangerous thing. It has nothing to do with the policies; it has to do with politics.

KELLY: Why is it so dangerous? What' so bad that will come of this?

TURLEY: Well, you know, a system in which a single individual is allowed to rewrite legislation or ignore legislation is a system that borders on authoritarianism. I don't believe that we are that system yet. But we cannot ignore that we're beginning to ignore a system that is a pretense of democracy if a president is allowed to take a law and just simply say, 'I'm going to ignore this,' or, 'I'm going to shift funds that weren't appropriated by Congress into this area.'

The president's State of the Union indicated this type of unilateralism that he has adopted as a policy. Now, many people view that as somehow empowering. In my view, it's dangerous, that is what he is suggesting is to essentially put our system off line. This is not the first time that convenience has become the enemy of principle. But we've never seen it to this extent.

KELLY: What is supposed to be done about it? You know, I know in your testimony before Congress you cited Ben Franklin who believed that the other branches would work in their own self interest to try to reign in a president who got drunk on his own power, or however you want to put it. You know, Congress doesn't have -- they can withdrawal money, they can move to impeach, they can file lawsuits --which they've done -- I mean, what are they supposed to do?

TURLEY: Part of the problem really rests with the federal courts. For the last two decades, federal courts have been engaged in a policy of avoidance. They are not getting involved when the executive branch exceeds its powers, they're just leaving it up to the branches. And often they say Congress has the power of the purse, Congress can simply restrict funds.

But one of the complaints against President Obama is that very clearly dedicated funds in areas like healthcare, have been just shifted by the White House unilaterally to different areas. And the courts have adopted this avoidance policy.

I am astonished by the degree of passivity in Congress, particularly by Democrats. You know, I first came to Congress when I was a young page and there were people that fiercely believed in the institution. It didn't matter what party held the White House. But what we're seeing now is the usurpation of authority that's unprecedented in this country.

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Re: Obamacare

Post by BigCliff » Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:45 am

Greenback wrote:...From yesterday…at least one leftist is starting...
PSA- There are only three ways use "leftist" is interpreted:

By those on the far right- "yeah! I hate them fukkin slackers too"

By those on the left- "oh, thanks for telling me you're a smug asshole"

By the other 80% of the country- "huh?"
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Re: Obamacare

Post by FormerlyChaseChrome » Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:51 am

He could certainly stand to take a page from Turley...

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Re: Obamacare

Post by Greenback » Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:35 pm

BigCliff wrote:
Greenback wrote:...From yesterday…at least one leftist is starting...
PSA- There are only three ways use "leftist" is interpreted:

By those on the far right- "yeah! I hate them fukkin slackers too"

By those on the left- "oh, thanks for telling me you're a smug asshole"

By the other 80% of the country- "huh?"
Crickets on o's unmitigated hypocrisy, outright lying and subsequent trashing of the Constitution.

Here it is one more time…

“You know I taught constitutional law for 10 years, I take the Constitution very seriously. The biggest problems that we’re facing right now had to do with George Bush trying to bring more and more power into the executive branch and not go through Congress at all, and that’s what I intend to reverse when I’m president of the United States of America.”

— BHO, 2008

He's doing a heck of a job (brownie) on reversing it.

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Re: Obamacare

Post by Upsetter » Fri Feb 14, 2014 2:41 pm

I hope this idiotic snowpacalypse buries em for a good long while. Cant do no wrong when you cant do anything cause theres snow on them there streets. :coffee

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Re: Obamacare

Post by BaggerMcGuirk » Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:06 pm

No shit there Sherlock......
Chuck Schumer: Passing Obamacare in 2010 Was a Mistake
http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress ... e-20141125
I was hoping they would do something for the economy, but........
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Re: Obamacare

Post by BigCliff » Fri Apr 24, 2015 12:50 pm

Per JD Power- ACA customers are MORE satisfied with their health plans than folks with EMPLOYER PROVIDED INSURANCE-
Marketplace plan satisfaction is 696, based on plan members’ satisfaction with their 2014 Marketplace health plan. Given that the Marketplace began in 2014, there is no previous year’s data to compare satisfaction levels, though Marketplace plan satisfaction is 17 points higher than overall health plan satisfaction in the J.D. Power 2015 Member Health Plan StudySM (679), a survey of traditional, mostly employer-based plans not purchased on a Marketplace exchange.

http://www.jdpower.com/press-releases/2 ... -hix-study
Wow.
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Re: Obamacare

Post by Plow » Sat Apr 25, 2015 1:32 am

ACA customers are MORE satisfied with their health plans than folks with EMPLOYER PROVIDED INSURANCE
Well, hell yeah!. obamacare losers receive massive subsides paid for by working folks. Meanwhile, working folks who have EMPLOYER PROVIDED INSURANCE are taking it up the ass to pay for obamacare losers. Folks who get little or nothing for nothing are always happer than folks who have to pay for it.

So, if you're receiving obamacare subsidies, please, for the sake of the county and it's tax paying citizens, die in a fire, or maybe, if it's not too much to ask, get a fucking job, your choice but do it quick.
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