Ah yes, when all else fails, what fails the most on teh suk is objectivity....
"The most ironic circle jerk..."- Bellyup
So, for all you white guys with sore pussies, let me ask you this:
If the "white" americans as a whole....no,not the plumber on the drake, the owner of a construction co. in Tenn., a guy who works for the feds in Miss., a guy who seemingly by his own choices has worked all sorts of trades (that'd be you blummers),etc.etc.....
...wanted to work so hard and with the same work ethic as you all, then why is there the demand for immigrant labor;legal or otherwise?
Why is there even the demand if the white "legal" population is so ready to go to it? Then wouldn't unemployment be lower?
According to most every capitalistic model out there, the laws of supply and demand dictate that when jobs are in high demand, wages go up....right?
There have been numerous threads here and likely on other floors making numerous points regarding the apathy of urban middle class youth...now we're all gonna distance ourselves from that? Remind me again, for all of you (not all on this thread) who railed against those at Occupy as non-working liberals who got free iphones from "Obamy".....were they mostly white folks?
Riiight...so the national media covers that as such, including some of yer favorite, Fox news, were going apeshit crazy over these "people"....
So yea....what I eluded to is just a real revelation now isn't it?
But hey, if what I asserted is so wrong, point out to me where. And for the love of dog, stay on the point. And that point was JT's idea for border crossers. I merely pointed out the current model,whether you want to admit it or not, is not a whole lot different; and part of the reason why, is that a certain % of a certain demographic don't want to the work. Simple as that.
As LTD, or someone eluded, white dudes don't work as many fast food jobs when measured by population/demographic; ultimately, same thing...they aren't into doing that type of work.
Before someone in tells me about their son/cousin who worked 7 jobs including flipping burgers; I get it. I flipped burgers myself in a convenience store as a teen. But at a national level, that's simply not the case. Living in Vermont, which happens to be the whitest state in America, along with one of the most rural and one that agriculture is a top 3 for the economy, I'm seeing something pretty obvious, which most of you living further south and west saw many years ago:
We're seeing more immigrants working the fields....in the whitest state in the US. Way the fuck north....9 months of winter, 3 months of bad sledding; no "great great grandma rodriguez" to justify moving to Vt to live and work (which has been the numero uno justification for these latest round of kids,etc. They're going north to live with an uncle or the like).
I know a dairy farmer in Marshfield, Vt. His wife at the time (about 5 yrs ago), was the head of the VT Dairy farmers association. They were is the process of stopping milking and just raising heifers. Why, I asked.
"Even though the the price isn't great for milk right now, we simply can't find good workers. We can pay $16-18/hr and you get a place to stay for free, but nobody wants to work the hours (often 50-60+ week). Right now, we've had a older guy in his late 40's who sold his farm years ago helping us, but he can't do it for much longer, that wasn't his plan"
Don't believe me? Part of the issue was that "dairy workers"at the time had to be more documented than other ag type workers. Pat Leahy, our Senator and others got a bill passed in the past few years opening up the dairy industry to more immigrants. Look it up for yourself, and ask yourself why? In the whitest state in the union?
In NZ, a country with a pretty large white population, and an enormous, vast agricultural empire, the largest diary co-op in the world, and a min. wage. of $14.25....and we're finding in the last few year an enormous increase in immigrant labor....mostly philippines and sri lankans. And they can't walk across the border. So there is an example of legal immigration demand for work where there is ample domestic workforce to do the work, but they don't want to.
Everyone likes to espouse the virtues of hard work and to conveniently shit on those who don't have the same ethic. In many cases, that may be a justifiable position. But I fail to see how some folks can selectively exclude a certain demographic from the discussion because it may or may not hit close to home.
But yea, if you want to explain to me how the state of Alabama passed the strictest immigrant worker laws in the land a while ago, and the farmers (all R's), went to the Gov. and their party and said "you will kill our business with this bill...there aren't enough white workers willing to do the work".....I'm all ears.
People are assholes because half the people around are of below average intelligence - Shunned
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