Clinton, anyone here thinks she a viable candidate?

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Re: Clinton, anyone here thinks she a viable candidate?

Post by Plow » Mon Aug 10, 2015 7:05 pm

BigCliff wrote:
Plow wrote:She makes Bill C and tricky Dick Nixon look like alter boys.
People, this is why we refer to the "Right Wing Alternate Universe".
You've yet to give us any hint why she's a viable candidate.

That shit she pulled with her e-mail server reeks of old tricky dick nixon. Maybe you can explain why we shouldn't doubt the quality of her character after that.
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Re: Clinton, anyone here thinks she a viable candidate?

Post by MTgrayling » Mon Aug 10, 2015 7:24 pm

Democrats now are "republican lite", and have been for decades.

As Chris Hedges recently said (I'm paraphrasing here) the last liberal president was Nixon since he felt threatened by mass movements and unrest.

Remember when labor actually went on strike? Real non corporate people have no power at all.
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Re: Clinton, anyone here thinks she a viable candidate?

Post by MTgrayling » Mon Aug 10, 2015 7:32 pm

The American dream now is something like finding affordable safe day care so Mom and Dad can flip burgers...

...and yet there is no shortage of people riding in boats paying $500/day to catch fucking dumbass trout.

We live in a strange unsustainable, and completely engineered, dichotomy.

So yah, lets argue over who is the lesser of two evils. Do that long enough and you may get "too big to fail/jail", broken window policies for the rest of us, war criminals on tv and "good faith" torturers walking free among us.

3'rd party people, pretty much any other party.

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Re: Clinton, anyone here thinks she a viable candidate?

Post by VTNZ » Tue Aug 11, 2015 8:11 am

Pretty spot on MTG.

Clinton is taking a modern day "moderate republican" position on issues....and thats when she has the balls to form an opinion w/o her handlers sending out "videos" to the masses...

Seriously, before the country was destroyed by Reagan and Trickle down bullshit for the fledgling Oligarchy....Clinton would have been a moderate R based on her positions. In and of itself, that would have been fine in the polticial enviro of 35+ year ago, when we had a strong D party on one side, and a R party that had the vestige of a brain and a soul. (Insert Nixons Clean Water, Air Acts,etc. here)

Hillary has no position on tons of shit....thats BS.

Keystone? She owes Barry nothing in terms of timing the announcement, and should have formed a position....even though I'm 98% sure Keystone will thankfully be turned down.

Wall Street? Fuck me...so get this: I guided a guy in NZ last season who can raise 1.5 billion with his smart phone contacts. He was a pretty nice guy, laughed about how he was the only D amongst his buddies on Wall Street. He joked about how they've given him shit over the last 10 years, and his current reply to them is "the alternative is bunch of loonies..." He was hosting a fundraiser for Hillary at his house this summer....

So that explains her lack of position on TPP....she, like many republicans (the ones with 10 fingers and toes and can count to the number "greed") is bought and paid for by them.

If you're for TPP....ya can fuck right off....Barry included!

She is also a bit of a warmonger....with strong ties to the other pillar of our Oligarchy...the Military Industry....which grows by 14% a year or more, all while members of one party complain about the size of govt and write blank checks to the pentgon; while the D party has no cajones to stand up for the fiscal abuse and fear based politiking.

Enter my man Bernie....throwing bottles of VT Maple Syrup at the beehive that is the populace...and judging by the turnouts the bees just love that sweetness! :smile
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Re: Clinton, anyone here thinks she a viable candidate?

Post by BigCliff » Tue Aug 11, 2015 11:03 am

Plow wrote:
BigCliff wrote:
Plow wrote:She makes Bill C and tricky Dick Nixon look like alter boys.
People, this is why we refer to the "Right Wing Alternate Universe".
You've yet to give us any hint why she's a viable candidate.

That shit she pulled with her e-mail server reeks of old tricky dick nixon. Maybe you can explain why we shouldn't doubt the quality of her character after that.
Full disclosure, I thought the Bill C you were referring to was Cosby, and was thinking, "Good lord, why would anybody think she's worse than a serial rapist who has made most of his recent money scolding about morals?' My bad. However, the rest of the world knows that Bill Clinton was a pandering horndog who presided over 8 years of peace and prosperity that seem almost like utopia now. We might not want him to date our widowed grandma, but he was a pretty damn effective president.

I would guess that the decision to have her own email server was about reliability and security, thinking that gov't IT folks wouldn't do a good enough job on that front. The recent OPM breach shows that wasn't incorrect, and one can only imagine what the federal data security standards were back when she became SecState. (my employer manages millions of mailboxes, I know a bit about this stuff)

That said, its also clear that letting gov't officials manage their own email accounts shouldn't be allowed. Whoever allowed that made a dumb call.
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Re: Clinton, anyone here thinks she a viable candidate?

Post by Upsetter » Tue Aug 11, 2015 11:40 am

BigCliff wrote:However, the rest of the world knows that Bill Clinton was a pandering horndog who presided over 8 years of peace and prosperity that seem almost like utopia now. We might not want him to date our widowed grandma, but he was a pretty damn effective president.
He presided over the internet boom, which lasted from 1993-2000, including the dotcom bubble, which burst in 2000, bringing those years of prosperity to a sharp end. Follow that up with 9/11 a year later and voila. Context is key. That is not to say that GW did well with the hand that was dealt to him, just that attributing 8yrs of prosperity to clinton is a bit much. The only thing he did right was stay out of teh way. That and nearly balance the budget for a year or two.
VTNZ wrote:Enter my man Bernie....throwing bottles of VT Maple Syrup at the beehive that is the populace...and judging by the turnouts the bees just love that sweetness!
We cant afford to have sanders as potus. It would be the final nail in our financial coffin. I dont know if you guys realize, but the euro-socialism that sanders would push on us is crumbling from financial rot and decay. Cant give everyone pensions when too few people are actually working to generate tax revenues. The PIGS will be the end of the EU. Its inevitable. Cause its cultural apparently. :coffee

What we need is a potus who will respect civil liberties and constitutional limits of the office, as well as, ruthlessly balance the budget and pay down our debt. I dont care which side of the aisle he or she comes from, only that he or she perform those two tasks without delay or exception.

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Re: Clinton, anyone here thinks she a viable candidate?

Post by MTgrayling » Tue Aug 11, 2015 12:00 pm

Upsetter wrote:
VTNZ wrote:Enter my man Bernie....throwing bottles of VT Maple Syrup at the beehive that is the populace...and judging by the turnouts the bees just love that sweetness!
We cant afford to have sanders as potus. It would be the final nail in our financial coffin. I dont know if you guys realize, but the euro-socialism that sanders would push on us is crumbling from financial rot and decay. Cant give everyone pensions when too few people are actually working to generate tax revenues. The PIGS will be the end of the EU. Its inevitable. Cause its cultural apparently. :coffee

What we need is a potus who will respect civil liberties and constitutional limits of the office, as well as, ruthlessly balance the budget and pay down our debt. I dont care which side of the aisle he or she comes from, only that he or she perform those two tasks without delay or exception.
We cannot afford to put anyone else on the throne at this point. As I see it, Bernie is about our only hope. That is if you think America is more than about the money/greed, and that the people are what make this country great. How much socialism do you think he could get through congress and the SC? Electing an avowed socialist would send a poweful message that the people still have power and must be listened to. That is what America needs now more than ever.

I shouldn't need to point out that Clinton oversaw the repeal of Glass Steagal which led the globe into the ditch and pushed NAFTA down our throats.

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Re: Clinton, anyone here thinks she a viable candidate?

Post by Upsetter » Tue Aug 11, 2015 12:08 pm

MTgrayling wrote:Electing an avowed socialist would send a poweful message that the people still have power and must be lIstened to. That is what America needs now more than ever.
I would say electing a radical bombthrower of any stripe would send a strong message. And I agree, he is unlikely to get much done. Nor is any other bombthrower. It is the beauty of congressional gridlock. What I want done is to rescind all the executive overreach. There's been a lot of unconstitutional activism within the office of president and the executive that needs to be undone.

Id like to point yall to an interesting developing story I heard about on my long drive back to MT from wisco sunday. Its called change the rules and its about putting together a primary for independents with some sort of guarantee that those who come out on top will be included in the national debates next fall. Not sure how it will play out, but the founder has the money to see it through to televised debates this fall and winter. The only remaining question is how the electoral commission that put the 15% requirement on independents and 3rd party candidates will react.

http://www.changetherule.org/

Here is a pdf of the first salvo in this battle. The FEC has been sued.

http://ballot-access.org/wp-content/upl ... plaint.pdf

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Re: Clinton, anyone here thinks she a viable candidate?

Post by BigCliff » Tue Aug 11, 2015 1:06 pm

Upsetter wrote:Id like to point yall to an interesting developing story I heard about on my long drive back to MT from wisco sunday. Its called change the rules and its about putting together a primary for independents with some sort of guarantee that those who come out on top will be included in the national debates next fall. Not sure how it will play out, but the founder has the money to see it through to televised debates this fall and winter. The only remaining question is how the electoral commission that put the 15% requirement on independents and 3rd party candidates will react.

http://www.changetherule.org/

Here is a pdf of the first salvo in this battle. The FEC has been sued.

http://ballot-access.org/wp-content/upl ... plaint.pdf
Sounds somewhat similar to Lessig's latest gambit-
if his crowdfunding campaign (website here) raises $1 million by Labor Day, he will run as what he calls a "referendum candidate." That means he'd promise to only serve as president until campaign finance reform is passed, and resign once it becomes law.

http://www.vox.com/2015/8/11/9129321/la ... t-campaign
Up, I'm not sure your diagnosis of the effect of a pres Bernie is accurate
"Georgescu and Langone (Home Depot Founder) are telling their patrician peers that if “inequality is not addressed, the income gap will most likely be resolved in one of two ways: by major social unrest or through oppressive taxes." http://www.salon.com/2015/08/11/why_con ... to_escape/
But yeah, Bernie's not getting the nomination. Despite what Plow and other wingnuts might proclaim, most Democrats aren't socialists. Bernie is, so we're not going to nominate him. (I'm sure he could snag the Green Party nom immediately if he wanted to)
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Re: Clinton, anyone here thinks she a viable candidate?

Post by MTgrayling » Tue Aug 11, 2015 1:22 pm

Just keep on doing the same thing Cliff, and expect different results. Einstein 101.

Power to the people (humans)!

Fuck this. I'm going fishing.
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Re: Clinton, anyone here thinks she a viable candidate?

Post by befuddled » Wed Aug 12, 2015 2:10 pm

Unfortunately, it's all going to come down to dynasty. This will be another Clinton vs. Bush presidency.

God I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it.
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Re: Clinton, anyone here thinks she a viable candidate?

Post by BigCliff » Wed Aug 12, 2015 3:14 pm

Poor Jeb, his dumb brother shouldn't have gotten the first shot.

Reminds me of this bit- https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... zlhI#t=199

Skip to 3:20

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