SLSS wrote:Very true. But, one way of looking at the current state of affairs is we finally let our grip loosen on the region, giving them space for "self-determination", albeit that nunce assad did fuck things up a lot, and out sprung ISIL.Upsetter wrote:…. stay in your third world shitholes and reap what youve sown.Up, my recall of history is lose at best, but I'm pretty sure a bunch of the "sowing" (and fucking up of the place) was done by us and our conquering allies after WWII and since. Just for thought.
I find history to repeat itself, whether it's studied or not. We humans are a lamely predictable lot.
The lesson I take away from it all is if there is such a thing as a moderate muslim, given the opportunity they have no stomach or spine for the hard tasks for state building. Nor do they have any will for engendering the "period of enlightenment" islam as a whole either needs to experience peacefully or at the wrong end of a barrel bomb.
Most estimates put the number of radicalized muslims in the world around 100 million. That radicalized muslims will get in if we allow 10k passportless "syrian" refugees in is a given, even with the stricter provisions of the house bill passed today imo. Our recent experience in the twin cities speaks for itself, those somalis have the highest rate of domestic terrorist recruitment in the nation:
In announcing the arrests of six Minnesota men charged with making repeated attempts to join the ISIS jihadist army in Syria, U.S. Attorney Andrew Luger made a stunning admission Monday.I maintain that bringing in loads of undocumented refugees is a really bad idea and that we will watch that reality steadily play itself out in the EU for years to come.
“To be clear, we have a terror-recruitment problem in Minnesota,” he said at a press conference Monday in Minneapolis. “This case demonstrates how difficult it is to put an end to recruiting here.”
Luger said the case against the six was broken open only after one of their own changed his mind and decided to cooperate with officials. He said his office regularly reaches out and seeks those who want “to break the cycle of terror recruiting in Minnesota.”
Ground zero for the problem is the Minneapolis-St. Paul region, home to America’s largest Somali community. This community didn’t form through normal immigration. It has been created by the U.S. government through its systematic relocation of Somali refugees from their war-torn East African homeland into communities across the U.S.