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Wiretaps?

Post by yard4sale » Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:18 pm

So why can't Obama sue Captain Cheetoh Dust for libel? Sure seems like he made a defamatory and totally false accusation, which has now been totally debunked by US intelligence. Given both of their profiles it seems to me there could be a huge award given.

Unfortunately Obama is probably too classy to go that route but it sure would be sweet to see him relieve Hair Fuhrer of a couple hundred million dollars...
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Post by Upsetter » Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:36 pm

he can. but which is it? defamation or libel? theyre only kinda the same

The two big reasons why he wont: he is a public figure, much higher burden as a result, which is why national enquirer doesnt get sued successfully all the time - they do get sued alot for libel but they win pretty much all of them; and b. its a waste of money if he cant prove damages and i doubt he can - he's gonna make shitloads of money CAUSE of it

so there ya go

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Post by yard4sale » Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:46 pm

Upsetter wrote:he can. but which is it? defamation or libel? theyre only kinda the same

The two big reasons why he wont: he is a public figure, much higher burden as a result, which is why national enquirer doesnt get sued successfully all the time - they do get sued alot for libel but they win pretty much all of them; and b. its a waste of money if he cant prove damages and i doubt he can - he's gonna make shitloads of money CAUSE of it

so there ya go
I looked it up and still don't really get the difference. Sounds like slander is the one you sue about but they are both basically saying lies that damage a persons reputation.

How can accusing somebody of McCarthyism not cause damages? Agreed that I don''t know how you put a value on it but thats for a jury to decide right?

How the fuck do you think this will make Obama shitloads of money?

BTW, I posted this but am NOT distracted from the real story that may or may not get Trumpsterfire impeached, which the FBI is working on now.
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Re: Wiretaps?

Post by Upsetter » Wed Mar 22, 2017 12:54 am

yard4sale wrote:How the fuck do you think this will make Obama shitloads of money?
book deals speaking engagements all the same shit he is going to make shitloads of money on anyhow
good luck proving trump alters that equation one little bit
plus, cause he is a public figure he has to prove trump knew the statement was false at the time he made it
thats how we got fake news

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Post by RockinDaddyNotFromTN » Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:57 pm

Libel is just a form of defamation. You sue someone for libel (written) or slander (verbal). Obama will not sue because he is a public figure and would therefore lose. Has nothing to do with damages. Sorry to jump in on a political thread but this one is easy to put to bed.

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Post by yard4sale » Wed Mar 22, 2017 3:30 pm

Thanks for clarifying.

So public figures can't sue for defamation? Don't celebs do this all the time?

There has to be some sort of penalty for trumpsterfire pulling this shit.
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Post by D-nymph » Wed Mar 22, 2017 3:47 pm

yard4sale wrote: There has to be some sort of penalty for trumpsterfire pulling this shit.

Him having to admit he was wrong & the resulting embarrassment, for him, on a personal level, is much more painful than any amount of money.
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Post by RockinDaddyNotFromTN » Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:03 pm

It's basically to protect the press' ability to criticize politicians, etc...

Short answer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_ ... ._Sullivan.

Basically it's a really high standard to prove. Miraculously enough, Trump may have met that standard but I imagine it's still not worth the risk.

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Post by yard4sale » Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:20 pm

D-nymph wrote:
yard4sale wrote: There has to be some sort of penalty for trumpsterfire pulling this shit.

Him having to admit he was wrong & the resulting embarrassment, for him, on a personal level, is much more painful than any amount of money.
Has he admitted he was wrong? All I've heard is that maybe it was the Brits or that he wasn't using the word 'wiretaps' literally.

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Re: Wiretaps?

Post by Obie » Wed Mar 22, 2017 11:31 pm

It's weird though, right?! A guy who during the campaign wanted to tighten libel laws so the thing he just did wouldn't be a thing people could just do. So there'd be repercussions for ones actions.

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Re: Wiretaps?

Post by BigCliff » Fri Mar 24, 2017 9:17 am

In the TV/movie version of this saga, Michelle would reignite her legal career by suing Trump on Barack's behalf and end up becoming a national hero combining the appeal of Oprah, Sully and Mother Teresa, thus propelling her to become our first female president.

In reality, nothing like that happens. Trump wasn't wiretapped, because listening in live or recording calls is a ridiculously inefficient way to gather info. Just like is the case for the entirety of the US population, the NSA is tracking phone and email metadata and scanning all emails for suspect key words/phrases (ACLU- "we told you so, in 2001 fer cryin out loud"). If surveillance went any further, its likely because something put off a stink.

Trump tower on the other hand- http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.3004226 This raises more questions than it answers, namely WHY WAS A RUSSIAN GAMBLING RING WELCOME IN TRUMP TOWER?!?
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Re: Wiretaps?

Post by BigTimber » Fri Mar 24, 2017 9:59 am

D-nymph wrote:
yard4sale wrote: There has to be some sort of penalty for trumpsterfire pulling this shit.

Him having to admit he was wrong & the resulting embarrassment, for him, on a personal level, is much more painful than any amount of money.
gotta disagree. money is the only thing he understands. he doesn't give a shit about how anyone perceives him personally. it's all about his financial status. Probably the only thing he would personally be "hurt" by now is if he was impeached.
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