Tired of winning yet?

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Re: Tired of winning yet?

Post by VTNZ » Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:49 pm

Well, for starters,there's the small point that the Steele Dossier was actually first funded by another R by the name of Jeb Bush,during the primary campaign, and only after Jeb realized his party had turned tribal/extremist and lost did the Clinton campaign come in and continue to fund the research firm who hired Steele....

....not that you'd get that kinda reporting from state run media like Fux..... :bullshit


Still screaming Benghazi is by definition one of the symptoms of being a Fux muppet.
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Re: Tired of winning yet?

Post by Upsetter » Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:08 pm

So. The. Fuck. What? All that means is Jeb should be fitted for prison orange just like Clinton. The whole focus of this stoopid “investigation” is basically whether trump did the same thing we KNOW Clinton did - collude with foreign agents to impact the election. And it was actually the Washington free beacon who first hired fusion gps. Furthermore the examiner broke the story and look who followed as quickly as any others.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/1 ... t.amp.html

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Re: Tired of winning yet?

Post by Plow » Tue Feb 20, 2018 5:08 pm

Upsetter wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:08 pm
So. The. Fuck. What? All that means is Jeb should be fitted for prison orange just like Clinton. The whole focus of this stoopid “investigation” is basically whether trump did the same thing we KNOW Clinton did - collude with foreign agents to impact the election. And it was actually the Washington free beacon who first hired fusion gps. Furthermore the examiner broke the story and look who followed as quickly as any others.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/1 ... t.amp.html
That right there!

The Steele dossier was used to get a FASA warrant and 3 renewals. Can't believe a judge would grant the warrants if he/she knew the history of the dossier.

House memo states disputed dossier was key to FBI’s FISA warrant to surveil members of Team Trump
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02 ... trump.html
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Re: Tired of winning yet?

Post by yard4sale » Tue Feb 20, 2018 5:27 pm

Wrong.

Three renewals had nothing to do with the Steele dossier. For those they had to show they were collecting credible evidence. Each time....

As for the original warrant it’s been leaked that the origin of the dossier was disclosed AND it wasn’t the source of the warrant. Your dirty boy Papadopoulos was. You know, the coffee guy who was pictured at the table with all the top trump aides.

Why won’t Trumpsterfire release the Dems rebuttal to the obviously partisan Nunes memo?

Here’s an easy one: did the Russians meddle in our elections? Or is it still a “hoax”?
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Re: Tired of winning yet?

Post by VTNZ » Tue Feb 20, 2018 5:29 pm

Seriously?

The fucking house memo?

Holy commie sympathizers... :coffee
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Re: Tired of winning yet?

Post by yard4sale » Tue Feb 20, 2018 5:52 pm

You gotta love how crooked Hillary is responsible for colluding with a foreign government line though. No mention of the fact the Rs were the ones who hired that law firm in the first place....

That is some serious spin.
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Re: Tired of winning yet?

Post by Upsetter » Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:05 pm

The free beacon wasn’t a candidate for president in 2016 was it? There’s no way you could find Trump or the Trump campaign guilty of anything without locking Clinton up and throwing away the key. Worst case scenario based on what we know is trump jr and Kushner may have had a meeting where they talked about dirt on Clinton with Russians. Then they walked. End of story.

Clinton on other hand solicited the dirt (the full extent of what trump jr. and Kushner are alleged to have done) paid for the dirt, got the dirt, leaked the dirt to the press, and turned the dirt over to the FBI. Then the FBI took the dirt, without verifying any of it, turned it into fisa warrants for secret surveillance, and used the surveillance That’s only amounted to perjury traps on totally unrelated crap to justify this bullshit investigation.

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Re: Tired of winning yet?

Post by yard4sale » Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:26 pm

Right on. The only thing dumber than being a trumpanzee is arguing with one.
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Re: Tired of winning yet?

Post by RockinDaddyNotFromTN » Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:34 am

Upsetter wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:05 pm
The free beacon wasn’t a candidate for president in 2016 was it? There’s no way you could find Trump or the Trump campaign guilty of anything without locking Clinton up and throwing away the key. Worst case scenario based on what we know is trump jr and Kushner may have had a meeting where they talked about dirt on Clinton with Russians. Then they walked. End of story.

Clinton on other hand solicited the dirt (the full extent of what trump jr. and Kushner are alleged to have done) paid for the dirt, got the dirt, leaked the dirt to the press, and turned the dirt over to the FBI. Then the FBI took the dirt, without verifying any of it, turned it into fisa warrants for secret surveillance, and used the surveillance That’s only amounted to perjury traps on totally unrelated crap to justify this bullshit investigation.
When we are talking about crimes by Hillary are we talking about exchanging emails on a non-classified server? Crimes, Crimes, CRIMES we hear constantly but honestly nothing more than that. She certainly wasn't criminally liable for Benghazi (not even civilly, the lower of the two burdens).

FBI had an investigation before getting the dossier.
It also discussed Moscow’s apparent overtures to another Trump campaign official and its general meddling during that period, which prompted the F.B.I. to open the Trump-Russia investigation in late July — before the bureau’s investigative team received Mr. Steele’s information.
FBI verified the portions used.
Notably, the Democratic memo also said that in subsequent renewals of the wiretap application, the Justice Department “provided additional information obtained through multiple independent sources that corroborated Steele’s reporting.”
Also found this interesting:
Republican-appointed judges approved the surveillance of Mr. Page.

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Re: Tired of winning yet?

Post by Upsetter » Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:20 pm

RockinDaddyNotFromTN wrote:
Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:34 am
When we are talking about crimes by Hillary are we talking about exchanging emails on a non-classified server? Crimes, Crimes, CRIMES we hear constantly but honestly nothing more than that. She certainly wasn't criminally liable for Benghazi (not even civilly, the lower of the two burdens.
No. I am not talking about emails. I am talking about clintons hiring a law firm which in turn hired GPS fusion which in turn hired a foreign agent who in turn paid Russian agents to produce the dossier. The dossier’s creation in and of itself is a crime of collusion with foreign agents to upset an election.

The dossier’s existence is more evidence of Clinton’s collusion with foreign agents to disrupt an election than anything produced by the investigation on trump to this day.

It doesn’t matter if the foreign agents are British Ukrainian or Russian, collusion with foreign agents to disrupt an election domestically is the crime and she has been proven guilty. If it wasn’t for the medias obsession to prove Trump a traitor she would have been convicted long ago. They want to use conclusive evidence of her guilt, the dossier itself, to try and prove his guilt despite almost everything in that steaming pile of horeshit having been proven false. This is why they are all a bunch of worthless shit heels that should be disbelieved before there ever believed. Period

Funny thing though...It doesn’t matter how big a pile of steaming horseshit the dossier is, Clinton is still guilty of collusion with a foreign agents to disrupt an election for having it created in the first place.

And fwiw on the emails...The gross negligence standard is a criminal standard, and she was guilty of it. Just because cumme and stropf used different words “extremely careless” instead of gross negligence (stropf changed it doncha know!!) doesn’t make her any less guilty. there was a dude who was prosecuted under the same standard and found guilty for taking a family photograph with a nuclear submarine in the background. I do believe he still in jail. The whole thing is fucking sewer slime.

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Re: Tired of winning yet?

Post by canook » Thu Mar 15, 2018 7:01 am

Upsetter wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:20 pm
I am talking about clintons hiring a law firm which in turn hired GPS fusion which in turn hired a foreign agent who in turn paid Russian agents to produce the dossier. The dossier’s creation in and of itself is a crime of collusion with foreign agents to upset an election.
Four degrees of separation. Well insulated, to be sure.
Use that same metric on the current administration - or any other administration or campaign and you'll find criminal activity of one sort or another. By that measure Junior, Jared et. al. have direct connections to the Kremlin.
Isn't that the way every well-organized criminal syndicate operates - keep the Don insulated with plausible deniability.

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Re: Tired of winning yet?

Post by RockinDaddyNotFromTN » Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:31 pm

Upsetter wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:20 pm
RockinDaddyNotFromTN wrote:
Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:34 am
When we are talking about crimes by Hillary are we talking about exchanging emails on a non-classified server? Crimes, Crimes, CRIMES we hear constantly but honestly nothing more than that. She certainly wasn't criminally liable for Benghazi (not even civilly, the lower of the two burdens.
No. I am not talking about emails. I am talking about clintons hiring a law firm which in turn hired GPS fusion which in turn hired a foreign agent who in turn paid Russian agents to produce the dossier. The dossier’s creation in and of itself is a crime of collusion with foreign agents to upset an election.

The dossier’s existence is more evidence of Clinton’s collusion with foreign agents to disrupt an election than anything produced by the investigation on trump to this day.

It doesn’t matter if the foreign agents are British Ukrainian or Russian, collusion with foreign agents to disrupt an election domestically is the crime and she has been proven guilty. If it wasn’t for the medias obsession to prove Trump a traitor she would have been convicted long ago. They want to use conclusive evidence of her guilt, the dossier itself, to try and prove his guilt despite almost everything in that steaming pile of horeshit having been proven false. This is why they are all a bunch of worthless shit heels that should be disbelieved before there ever believed. Period

Funny thing though...It doesn’t matter how big a pile of steaming horseshit the dossier is, Clinton is still guilty of collusion with a foreign agents to disrupt an election for having it created in the first place.

And fwiw on the emails...The gross negligence standard is a criminal standard, and she was guilty of it. Just because cumme and stropf used different words “extremely careless” instead of gross negligence (stropf changed it doncha know!!) doesn’t make her any less guilty. there was a dude who was prosecuted under the same standard and found guilty for taking a family photograph with a nuclear submarine in the background. I do believe he still in jail. The whole thing is fucking sewer slime.
Good lord man. A) As any self respecting trump fan knows, "Collusion" is not a crime, 2) Unlike something like murder for hire where there are specific laws for an involved party that does not actually do the crime (i.e. the person who did the hiring), even if collusion was a crime, there is not "collusion for hire" statute so D) any crime of the kind you are describing would have to fall under conspiracy and someone cannot be convicted, charged, whatever of conspiracy without knowledge and it's been reported that the clinton campaign didn't know about fusion gps never mind chris steele.

This is a pretty good read especially John Dean and Renato Mariotti's contributions: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... ion-215366

Second, I appreciate your legal analysis on criminal standards but Chemerinsky you are not. If you read the statute for disclosing classified information, the required intent is "knowingly and willfully". That is not gross negligence.

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