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By Spudnik
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Hah, we'd probably get along just fine, Upsetter.
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By VTNZ
#610876
Upsetter wrote:
Spudnik wrote:They don't even know their own people and claim that we "should be more like other countries."
FUCK that noise. I say gtfo if that is your sentiment. We dont need you, GTFO

We definitely dont need to be more like any other shithole country in this G-d forsaken world. We need to be more like the country we used to be. The beacon of freedom and self determination that we were after the world wars came to an end, and we can do even better now given the lessons weve learned since then.

You freebase the Republican Debate?
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By MTgrayling
#610877
Hmmm. What was the top tax rate back in your good ole days Up, could it have been 91%? How strong were unions? Was there a fervor for protecting people through social programs?

Me thinks things were a bit more socialist then than the history you've been fed, read or told.

I ain't going nowhere but fishing.
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By Bruiser
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MTgrayling wrote:Hmmm. What was the top tax rate back in your good ole days Up?

I ain't going nowhere but fishing.
Post WWII top marginal tax rate was 90%+. Of course we're a buncha commies now and this country has gone to shit....




Whatever. I think you made the point better than I did MTG - just thought I'd chip in the actual figure in case anyone was wondering.
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By MTgrayling
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Thanks Bruiser. I snuck an edit in there. Hella timing though.

The good ole days; when we were all in this together and the every man for himself bullshit was just a nightmare in Ayn Rand's deeply troubled mind.

Where did the compassion and empathy go?

Fuckin' society
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By Upsetter
#611814
Forgot about this thread...
Bruiser wrote:Post WWII top marginal tax rate was 90%+. Of course we're a buncha commies now and this country has gone to shit....

Whatever.
Taxes..whatever the rate..have nothing to do with what made this country great. The hard working and hard nosed attitude of two + generations chastened by the great depression and world wars is what made this country great. I will add though, that high rate of taxation resulted from our willingness to actually pay for our war effort rather than put it on the fucking credit card, like we do for everything these days.
MTgrayling wrote:The good ole days; when we were all in this together and the every man for himself bullshit was just a nightmare in Ayn Rand's deeply troubled mind.

Where did the compassion and empathy go?
Its ironic to me that you are absolutely correct. Back then we were all in this together and out of that noble attitude the welfare state was born. Four or five generations later, the rot created by that welfare state threatens to destroy what was so great only 65yrs ago.

I have empathy. But my empathy only goes so far and it has no tolerance for the something for nothing attitude that prevails these days. The number of people on the dole is staggering. The number of people fraudulently on the dole is even more staggering. Every state that is in the red is there primarily because of welfare. Not road maintenance. Not education. Nothing anything useful. These states are bankrupt because they bend over backwards to provide their least productive citizens with the means to remain unproductive.

That has to stop or we will become like europe where there are more "pensioners" than there are workers and the govt is such a leviathan that more people work for it than the private sector. There are several countries already there. Now that the scabs have been peeled off of belgium's civil society, its surely one of them.
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By MTgrayling
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Ask the deep questions. Who is this economy working for and why?



This is the song I see in my America... Get out there and look.














The bright side is, rich fucks are always going to need guides.
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By MTgrayling
#611819
We are many, they are few.

We don't have to take their shit, and yet we still do?

Rise up people!

Sanders 2016
Last edited by MTgrayling on Wed Nov 25, 2015 5:03 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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By Bruiser
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Well, debt/GDP was at an all time high after WWII, so it was actually the credit card that we paid off, over many many years. Folks may have just been more willing to pay the higher taxes back then. And as much as I admire the greatest generation, especially for their sacrifices during enormous war efforts, we are way more productive these days.
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By SLSS
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Bruiser wrote:Well, debt/GDP was at an all time high after WWII, so it was actually the credit card that we paid off, over many many years. Folks may have just been more willing to pay the higher taxes back then. And as much as I admire the greatest generation, especially for their sacrifices during enormous war efforts, we are way more productive these days.
Tom Brokaw wouldn't have sold a lot of books with that knowledge out there.
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By Upsetter
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MTgrayling wrote:We are many, they are few.

We don't have to take their shit, and yet we still do?
There simply arent enough of them rich fuckers. (who, btw, you should know get no love from me). Ive read many times that rich folks, even if we taxed them 100%, are a drop in the bucket compared to our entitlement obligations. Corporations will just continue to leave the country and never bring their taxable profits back. If the last 20yrs have proven anything, its proven that reality in spades. We cannot tax and spend our way to a solution. Period. Thusly...this...
MTgrayling wrote:Rise up people!

Sanders 2016
...is a total fail. The guy has no other ideas than tax those that work to the point they wont bother anymore to give even more to those who wont even bother to try cause...money aint for nothing and your chicks are free. I want my mtv!!!
Bruiser wrote:And as much as I admire the greatest generation, especially for their sacrifices during enormous war efforts, we are way more productive these days.
Solely because of technology (perhaps you could also say we work smarter, not harder, but we surely dont work any harder). To be fair though, technology is as big a culprit in our job crisis as offshoring. Many workers have had to make great strides in grappling with tech advances to remain employable within their economic sector. Those who have should be applauded. Those who havent however, need to try harder or smarter. Cause the need for retraining has never been an excuse for just giving up and going on unemployment for six years and then bitching for more when that well is threatened with running dry. You adapt and overcome, not throw a tantrum over how hard it is and shamelessly go on the dole.

Weve set ourselves up for this problem due to lack of foresight in the whole globalization experiment and the politicians responsible should be thrown out of office. I fully admit Bernie Sanders isnt one of them and for that he should be applauded. BUT, we cannot go down the socialist shithole path europe is going down. That's like doubling down on the "wrong track", not correcting our past errors. Diligent hard work is what got us to the top of the pile, along with some homefield advantage deriving from spoils of war. Diligent smart work and innovation is what will keep us on top, not indulging those who have chosen to drop out altogether, no matter how high their numbers are. They are #cannon fodder - is that how that waste of time called twitter works?
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