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By VTNZ
#607813
Upsetter wrote:Every single person in this country who works hard to support a family has good reason to bitch about the tax rates. Money you could be using to better yourself and the people close to you is taken from you by threat of force and used to feed/house lots of people I wouldn't let near my house or my kids, much less give a bunch of money too.

Wow...spoken like the son of a Venture Capitalist.

Lol...but yea Bob....Bernie has a group of armed folks that are going to attack the middle class and vets he's had lazer focus on all his life, folks here in VT...it's like some type of refugee camp there...fuck sakes. He would tax the 1%, he's made it clear, and he'd tax banks on sketchy dealings; for him of all people, to come with draconian taxes on the middle class is crazy talk, but hey, we're here. Shit, Income taxes for middle and low brackets still haven't gone up under the socialist muslim despite all those dire predictions.
And every other oecd country in the developed world...armed folks knocking on doors constantly. Lol....shit, if that was really the case, Greece might not be were they are; for income tax evasion there is rampant, in the order of over 25% of the folks don't even try. And yet...instead of the boogeyman at their door, lol...they have German Creditors. This thread proved my point on your Carson thread far more than I ever could have imagined...who by the way believes evolution was perpetrated by the devil....."thanks for playing Ben, it's been real..."

Status quo will get you status quo....there's no way around it. It's been fun, I'm done... I've got to email the mrs to stop by Bernie's and give him another fifty...
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By Bruiser
#607823
Which developed democracy has lower overall taxes than ours?
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By Cary
#607824
Sometimes paying taxes is painful, but grown ups don't whine about it.
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By Bruiser
#607825
Cary wrote:Sometimes paying taxes is painful, but grown ups don't whine about it.
EXACTLY
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By Bobwhite
#607831
Bruiser wrote:
Cary wrote:Sometimes paying taxes is painful, but grown ups don't whine about it.
EXACTLY
Mind, this is non-partisan. Both sides are guilty as hell...I get this.

I don't mind paying my fair share of taxes... but it kills me to see the blatant waste, and misdirection of tax dollars to grease the skids for major campaign donors, their cronies, and the votes that are bought through benefits.

Given the current state of affairs... I feel that my government and I are at odds...let's face it... I feel that we're adversarial.

They lie and cheat me to maintain their position and power... and consequentially , I feel it incumbent to be less than honest whenever I can.

This isn't legal, though perhaps (in my mind), justifiable, and it eases my family's way... and I worry less about making ends meet.

Perhaps, it's been done; I don't usually pay much attention to these things. But, here's a study I'd like to see the results of...

I understand that other democracies pay higher tax rates. But, what's the difference in efficiency?

When I donate to a charity, I usually check out what percentage of my dollar donated is spent administratively, and what goes directly to the purpose of my donation. What's the breakdown with my tax dollar?

Perhaps an audit of the federal government might shed some light on this?

Just a thought...
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By Upsetter
#607850
Cary wrote:Sometimes paying taxes is painful, but grown ups don't whine about it.
Almost 17k this year so far, think of all the jobs I couldve supported spending that money elsewhere. That is about equivalent to the amount of money I have at my disposal after you take out my house and car payment, making it the single biggest expense in my life, by far. And they still havent done the one thing I want done - fix our local highway design fuckup so I (and everyone else who lives near me) dont have to waste 20min of our lives everyday avoiding one of the worst clusterfucks a town of smaller than 10k people should ever have to deal with. As I sit in the most recent stupid traffic jam they created, I often wonder if whoever was responsible for setting up such a horrible situation was fired for their incompetence. But hey, food stamps show up every month, so there's that. Or so I hear from the drunks hitting me up for beer money at the highway exit.
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By MTgrayling
#607851
You want more as long as everyone else gets less. Seems simple enough. I get it.

Fuckin' society.
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By Upsetter
#607863
Im afraid you dont MTG. Are you even paying any taxes at the moment? Or is everything under the table and youre just reporting enough to qualify for the EIC and keep the buzzards off your back? No need to answer, dont mean to put you on the spot, but I dont hold it against you if youve chosen path B. Many Montanans do and when the buzzards finally show up on their doorsteps, they hire a pitbull tax attorney and settle for a dime on the dollar. Im not in a position to do that, so I bitch about it and try to vote the greedy, no-good fuckers out.
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By Upsetter
#607865
Hey Bruiser - Just saw your post about your neighbor. I dont begrudge either my state or county govt taxes. I also dont mind paying for the local school district. I dont like the feds meddling in our district's affairs however (or our state's affairs), neither do any of the employees btw, and spending shitloads of my money to do it. The DOE should be abolished. But I digress.

Out of the 17k Ive paid in taxes, only three goes to state and county, and Ive gotten a lot more out of those dollars and I know they are wisely spent cause they have to be - constitutional mandate to balance the budget, so every dollar must be wisely spent or heads will roll.

Conversely, I feel like my 14k worth of fed tax dollars have been pissed into a hole, only to be seen again when I drive home to wisconsin and certain stretches of 90 or 94 have been improved and fear of another interstate bridge over the mississippi collapsing becomes more and more of a distant memory. That and I get to watch (on the tv) billions pissed away keeping our boot heel on the 3rd world's neck so our corporations can effectively profit off their nat resources and cheap labor, only to watch those same corporations refuse to repatriate that money, or invest it domestically, cause our tax rates are too high.

Does anybody see where I am going with this? Or are we all gonna just excuse all the bad behavior and horrible mismanagement of our hard earn tax dollars?
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By Cary
#607868
Upsetter wrote:
Cary wrote:Sometimes paying taxes is painful, but grown ups don't whine about it.
Almost 17k this year so far...
Rookie.
By SOBF
#607873
Does anybody see where I am going with this? Or are we all gonna just excuse all the bad behavior and horrible mismanagement of our hard earn tax dollars?
I see where you're going,but this is how it works down here.Guy's like myself rail about welfare abuse and guys like Cliff and VTNZ immediately rail against corporate welfare (Which I'm against as well) . How about we agree with Upsetter's POV and get rid of all the waste and abuse ? Corporate raiders and welfare cheats can all go DIAF ! Both political parties suck and care little for the middle class.Off to fish for a week and not talk politics.

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