Conservative civil war

[befuddled]

Lack of comprehension sucks...

If it's anything more than a rant against folks he disagrees then with fill me in.

I think you're skimming over the part where I said they just held a special session to clean up messes they created. And the part where they haven't even tried to address any real issues the state faces. I'm not saying they haven't gotten it done, they haven't even tried.

It has very little to do with what I personally disagree with. It has everything to do with the fact that they haven't ever made an attempt to complete the bare minimum of the job description and what they have done, they fucked up, even by their own standards.

Your local tea party delegates might be doing a better job in Mississippi, but they're not even a joke in NC, they're a disgrace to their offices. Which is a pretty damning statement for politicians.

[Plow]

I think you're skimming over the part where I said they just held a special session to clean up messes they created. And the part where they haven't even tried to address any real issues the state faces. I'm not saying they haven't gotten it done, they haven't even tried.

I just saw that as business as usual.
Politician is the only job where when they fuck something up completely (and they always do) they're expected to fix it.

It has very little to do with what I personally disagree with. It has everything to do with the fact that they haven't ever made an attempt to complete the bare minimum of the job description and what they have done, they fucked up, even by their own standards.

Same on the national level. When was the last time we had a budget or someone up there worried about something other than making sure gays can or can't get married. There are other problems.

Your local tea party delegates might be doing a better job in Mississippi, but they're not even a joke in NC, they're a disgrace to their offices. Which is a pretty damning statement for politicians.

I pretty much ignore politics at the local level. Politicians are all fucked, no good will ever come of 'em.

[befuddled]

Don't disagree with almost all of that. Except I'm fairly sure me and you both have to fix anything we fuck up.

But other than that, I was hoping against all hope that the Tea Party was going to be what they claimed. I never openly supported them, but there was a lot of folks saying these guys were going to be different. Guess I was befuddled once again. As the Austrian once told me, it's an apt moniker.

[BigCliff]

Norquist vs Cruz?

Americans for Tax Reform Leader Grover Norquist slammed Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) and his fellow tea partiers who pushed a defund-Obamacare strategy in an interview with the National Review.

"It’d be a good idea if they stopped referring to other Republicans as Hitler appeasers because they opposed the strategy they put forward which failed," Norquist told National Review's Betsy Woodruff. "I think if you make a mistake as big as what they did, you owe your fellow senators and congressmen a big apology — and your constituents, as well, because nothing they did advanced the cause of repealing or dismantling Obamacare."

Though Norquist didn't name specific Republicans, he singled out the strategy championed by Cruz.

"They hurt the conservative movement, they hurt people’s health care, they hurt the country’s economic situation and they hurt the Republican party," Norquist continued. "And a lot of congressmen and senators are not going to win because we spent three months chasing our own tail — or at least, parts of the conservative movement spent three months chasing their own tail."

Norquist also told Woodruff that the strategy was similar to the failures in the most recent Iraq war.

"These are the people who said, ‘Plan: Step One, Invade Iraq. Step Two, It turns into Kansas,’” Norquist said. “Could I ask if there’s anything in between Step One and Step Two? ‘Oh ye of little faith.’”

Where's my popcorn?

[BigCliff]

Gohmert mentioned McCain as he discussed the government shutdown.

"I heard just before I came, some senator from Arizona, a guy that liked Gaddafi before he wanted to bomb him," Gohmert said. "A guy that's been to Syria and supported al Qaeda and the rebels.

"Sometimes comments like that are made out of malice, but if someone has no intelligence I don't feel it as being a malicious statement," McCain said on NBC News.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/m ... telligence

[BigCliff]

Mitch McConnell's chief of staff -- currently assigned as a senior staffer at the National Republican Senatorial Committee through the 2014 election -- compared the Senate Conservatives Fund to a drunk making a raucous at a bar.

"S.C.F. has been wandering around the country destroying the Republican Party like a drunk who tears up every bar they walk into," Josh Holmes said according to The New York Times. "The difference this cycle is that they strolled into Mitch McConnell’s bar and he doesn’t throw you out, he locks the door."

Holme's comments came in a report about how the NRSC warned a Republican advertising firm that it would not get contracts from the committee if it continued to target incumbent Republicans by working with the Senate Conservatives Fund.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/n ... n-at-a-bar

[BigCliff]

Heh.

Bozell: "Rove has never cared about conservatism and has spent his entire career opposing any Republican who might be successful in promoting or implementing a conservative agenda.

Rove belongs to the same tradition of moderates who fought Barry Goldwater in 1964, who pushed back against Ronald Reagan in 1976 and did everything they could to stop Reagan again in 1980. They said Reagan would be a disaster for the party and even the country."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/ ... z3FYwPu0KW

[BaggerMcGuirk]

Obama: 'There’s A Sense ... The World Is Spinning So Fast and Nobody Is Able To Control It'
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/oba ... 10784.html

Obama the victim as officials rush into print before sell-by date
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d32a08c0-4e3c ... ab7de.html#

Fmr Obama Spokesman: Panetta 'Sad,' 'Dishonorable,' 'Small and Petty'
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/fmr ... 10789.html

In This Election, Obama’s Party Benches Him
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/08/us/po ... s-him.html

Jimmy Carter: President Obama blew it on ISIL
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/10/j ... 11692.html#

Cliffy,you should worry more about your guy. He is failing and his party sees it, but you and a lot of others don't. Why is that?
Don't want to admit your support of a failure? I don't give a shit about the the Repubs either.

[BigCliff]

Obama: 'There’s A Sense ... The World Is Spinning So Fast and Nobody Is Able To Control It'
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/oba ... 10784.html

Obama the victim as officials rush into print before sell-by date
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d32a08c0-4e3c ... ab7de.html#

Fmr Obama Spokesman: Panetta 'Sad,' 'Dishonorable,' 'Small and Petty'
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/fmr ... 10789.html

In This Election, Obama’s Party Benches Him
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/08/us/po ... s-him.html

Jimmy Carter: President Obama blew it on ISIL
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/10/j ... 11692.html#

Cliffy,you should worry more about your guy. He is failing and his party sees it, but you and a lot of others don't. Why is that?
Don't want to admit your support of a failure? I don't give a shit about the the Repubs either.

Nope, I think he's doing fine. All presidents get shat on halfway through their second term.

The dems that don't like him are either trying to cling to their seats in red states, or unhappy with how conservative/corporatist he's been.

I think history will show that he did well, considering the amazing rash of nasty shit he had to deal with.

I'm also sure that The Weekly Standard and 30% of the country will never believe any of it. But they also still think GWB was great, so who gives a fuk? http://www.gallup.com/poll/113083/Conse ... -Bush.aspx

[BaggerMcGuirk]

Cliffy,
This says it all and Leon served in the whole first term.

"Too often in my view the President relies on the logic of the law professor rather than the passion of a leader," said Panetta.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the ... -sentence/

Colorado is a blue state, whats up there with Udall?
Wait! What blue state senate candidate has bammy gone to campaign for? 1 or 2?
History will show he did well? That has to be the laugh of the year Cliffy.

[Plow]

Not a republican or conservative out there that doesn't know republicans hate conservatives and are working against them every turn, that shit is old news.

Nope, I think he's doing fine. All presidents get shat on halfway through their second term.

Just wow!!!!!!!!!!

[BigCliff]

Cliffy,
This says it all and Leon served in the whole first term.

"Too often in my view the President relies on the logic of the law professor rather than the passion of a leader," said Panetta.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the ... -sentence/

Logic instead of passion? Golly that sounds awful.